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Thomas Runciman

Male Abt 1791 - 1885  (~ 94 years)


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  • Name Thomas Runciman  [1, 2
    Born Abt 1791  Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
    • the only Thomas recorded in the OPRs around this time was born/baptised Dunbar 1791, the son of Peter RUNCIMAN and Jean SMITH, and he is believed to have married Isabella CRAIG;
      Another candidate conisidered before Thomas' death cert was discovered, was the family of Thomas and Elizabeth (KEMP) RUNCIMAN who were having children around this time in Innerwick. Thomas could slot in between Isabel 1785 and Helen 1792.
      A better candidate has now been found, given that his death cert (at age 99 and 11 months) states his parents are a Thomas and Jane (m.s. unknown), which together with assorted circumstantial evidence, leads to Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN instead.
      Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON) only have two births recorded in the OPR index: one John (1784, Dunbar), the other George (1798 Innerwick). Given George is a family name for descendants, this does look a likely match for the parents of the Thomas who married Mary Redpath, despite the lack of a baptism entry
    Gender Male 
    Residence Dec 1812  Spott, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [9
    Census 1881  Chirnside, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [10
    • SMITH: George 61 ag lab b Abbey St Bathans, BEW; wife Janet 58 b Innerwick, ELN; Children: George 21 ag lab b Coldingham, BEW; Catherine 17 farm serv b Edrom BEW; Grdsons: William 10 scholar b Whitsome, BEW; George 8 scholar b Mordington, BEW; Father-in-law Thomas RUNCIMAN 90 b Dunbar;
    Reference Number 62564 
    Died 03 Dec 1885  Cairncross, Par. of Coldingham, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
    • cert. shows Thomas as 99 yrs 11 mos, ploughman, widower of Mary Redpath; s/o Thomas Runciman gen lab and Jane m.s. unknown, both dec'd; d 1:45pm of old age, no medical attendant; Inf. son Thomas X his mark, present; Reg. Coldingham Dec 6th
    Person ID I62564  Runciman Lineage 1d - Meikle Pinkerton
    Last Modified 28 Jun 2014 

    Father Thomas Runciman,   b. Abt Jul 1762, Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between 1841 and 1851, ?Belhaven, Dunbar Burgh, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 78 years) 
    Mother Jean Simpson,   b. Between 1756 and 1761, ?Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between 1841 and 1851, ?Belhaven, Dunbar Burgh, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 85 years) 
    Married 07 Jun 1783  Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [7, 11, 12
    • entry reads: Thos Runciman of the Parish of Dunbar Taylor & Jean Simpson same parish were married at Haddington on the 7th June 1783 (only RUNCIMAN/SIMPSON marr. in SctP is Thomas/Jean 1783 Dunbar)
    Census 1841  Belhaven, Dunbar Burgh, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [13
    • RUNCIMAN: Thos 80 labourer; Jane 80 both b ELN (two doors away were Peter and Christina REDPATH and nearby a WALLACE and PAXTON)
    Notes 
    • Does a tailor become a hind? Are there two families here or one?
      With the differences in occupation I had doubts about my identification of these family connections, however "reasonable" they seemed when I first made them.
      My answer is now yes, as at least the son of a taylor does indeed become a hind/land steward. I had the answer all along, the death cert. of son John clearly shows his father (John married to Marion Weatherly) as a land steward.

      The tailor connection:
      1783: Thomas Runciman and Jean Simpson marry in Haddington, Thomas a taylor, (recorded in the Dunbar OPR)
      1784: John, son of Thomas and Jean (Simpson), taylor at Broxburn born/baptised
      This John is linked to the one married to May/Marion Weatherly through the latter 's marriage which gives John's father as Thomas, albeit with no occupations listed for either father or son.
      An earlier Thomas was a tailor, eg 1770 bap. Alexander s/o Thomas and Barbara Wallis - which latter surname features as a witness somewhere (yet to be refound)

      The farming connections (which may or may not indicate a different family despite the same wife's names):
      1798: at Crawhill: a son George born to Thomas a hind.
      1808 Isabella born to John and May (Weatherly) which may be the link crossing the boundary between tailor Thomas and hind Thomas.
      1871 death of John son of John and Marion (Weatherly) in Edinburgh, father John shown as a land steward, deceased.

      1869 Robert (married to Agnes King) is linked because his death cert states his father as Thomas, ag labourer, but mother not named
      1885 Thomas (married to Mary Redpath) is linked because his death cert states his parents as Thomas, general labourer, and Jane, albeit without a surname for Jane.

      Alexander (married to Joan Manderson) is linked to farming Thomas by naming pattern of his children, and because a Thomas, hind was witness to several of his children's baptisms, at Mickle Pinkerton, which place features in several earlier entries in the Dunbar OPRs, eg birth of George 1734 to Thomas and Helen (Stevensone).

      Alexander, possibly this one, is linked as witness to marriage of John and Marion Weatherly at Oldhamstocks (banns Innerwick where father Thomas was cautioner for the groom)

      Once Alexander is linked in, this also links in the George married to Janet Darling, as their respective children Agnes and George are documented on their 1861 marriage cert as first cousins.
      With large gaps in the known children for George and Janet there was room to fit in a son Thomas, who has now been found (died Edinburgh 1877) to add naming pattern into the evidence for the prosecution

      Until I found the Crawhill connection I was coming to the conclusion that there were two families, but even with the Crawhill connection between Alexander's and John's families, it still isn't really "proof" that they are one family but could be indicative of two Johns, one son of the tailor, the other married to May Weatherly.

      Casting doubt on all the above however is the current dna evidence (3 lines tested as at Oct 2011: 1 matches lineage 1, the other two don't match each other or lineage 1). More representatives wanted!
      Jun 2014 update: 3 lines tested with 4 kits: the fourth kit, another paper trail descendant of Thomas & Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN, does match lineage 1. [14, 15, 16]
    Family ID F5  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Mary Redpath,   b. Abt 1791, Bunkle, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Jul 1859, Allen Twp, Warren? Co, Iowa, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 68 years) 
    Married 05 Dec 1812  Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 8, 9
    • (same yr that a Thomas marr. Isabel CRAIG in Dunbar) Thomas of Spott, Mary of Innerwick
    Census 1841  Oxenridge, Par. of Coldstream, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [17
    • RUNCIAMAN: Thomas 45 ag lab b BEW; Mary 45 b BEW; Mary 15, William 14 both b BEW
    Census 1851  Skaithmoor, Par. of Coldstream, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
    • RUNCIMAN: Thomas 60 farm servt b Dunbar, ELN; wife Mary 60 b Buncle BEW; Lodger James CRAIG 51 shepherd b Eckford, ROX
    Children 
     1. Catharine Runciman,   b. 21 Sep 1813, Oldhamstocks, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location
     2. Thomas Runciman,   b. 06 May 1816, Dowlaw, Par. of Coldingham, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 31 Jul 1895, Quixwood, Par. of Abbey St Bathans, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 79 years)
     3. John Runciman,   b. 07 Oct 1818, Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Sep 1874, Little Town Farm, Pittington, Durham, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 55 years)
     4. Jane Runciman,   b. 22 Apr 1821, Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1881, ?Chirnside, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age > 61 years)
     5. Mary Runciman,   b. 22 Apr 1821, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1841, ?Coldstream, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age > 21 years)
     6. William Runciman,   b. 16 Apr 1827, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1880, ?Allen Twp, Warren Co., Iowa, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age > 54 years)
    Last Modified 7 Mar 2016 
    Family ID F3  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - Abt 1791 - Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Dec 1812 - Spott, East Lothian, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 05 Dec 1812 - Innerwick, East Lothian, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 1841 - Oxenridge, Par. of Coldstream, Berwickshire, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 1851 - Skaithmoor, Par. of Coldstream, Berwickshire, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 1881 - Chirnside, Berwickshire, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 03 Dec 1885 - Cairncross, Par. of Coldingham, Berwickshire, Scotland Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • (there are two births recorded in the OPR index to a Thomas and Jean (Simpson), one John (1784, Dunbar), the other George (1798 Innerwick). Given George is a family name for descendants, this does look a likely match for the parents of the Thomas who married Mary Redpath, despite the lack of a baptism entry - which conculsion is now - Jun 2014 - supported by dna evidence) [5, 6, 18, 19]
    • Runciman-66 [20]

  • Sources 
    1. [S102] OPR East Lothian, Scotland RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854, Scotlands People Index, (1538-1854), Birth (Bap?) John 25 Oct 1818 John s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Mary REDPATH, Innerwick, ELN 711/ 0030 0322, extracted from index Feb 2010.

    2. [S103] OPR East Lothian SctP RUNCIMAN Marriages 1538-1854, Scotlands People Index, (1538-1854), Marr. 5 Dec 1812 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Mary RIDPATH, Innerwick, 711/ 0030 0414, extracted from index Feb 2010.

    3. [S204] Census: 1861 England/Wales via Ancestry, (1861), Civil Par. Pittington, Sub Dist St Nicholas, Durham, RG9/3743 ED 18 F 12 Pg 1 Sched 1, hsehold of John & Isabella RUNCIMAN, extracted Feb 2010.

    4. [S3] RUNCIMAN Analysis, Lorna Henderson, Thomas and Elspeth (KEMP) RUNCIMAN, possible parents (rejected) for the Thomas born c 1791, who married Mary REDPATH (1812 Innerwick), added Feb 2010.

    5. [S102] OPR East Lothian, Scotland RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854, Scotlands People Index, (1538-1854), Birth (bap?) 17 Oct 1798 George s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Jean SIMPSON, Innerwick, 711/ 0030 0259, extracted from index Feb 2010.

    6. [S102] OPR East Lothian, Scotland RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854, Scotlands People Index, (1538-1854), Birth (bap?) 9 May 1784 John s/o Thomas RUNCIMAN & Jean SIMPSON, Dunbar, 706/ 0030 0116, extracted from index Feb 2010.

    7. [S56] BDM: Scotlands People certs from 1855, Dth 3 Dec 1885 Thomas s/o Thomas & Jane RUNCIMAN, aged 99 yrs 11 mths, d. Carincross, Coldingham, Berwickshire, 732/01 0044, copy d/loaded Feb 2010.

    8. [S203] Census: 1851 Scotland via Ancestry, (1851), Skaithmoor, Coldstream, BEW Par. 733 ED 3 Pg 7 Sched 15, hsehold of Thomas & Mary RUNCIMAN, extracted Feb 2010.

    9. [S2505] Rootsweb Mailing List, Marr. 5 Dec 1812 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Mary REDPATH, Innerwick, East Lothian, posted Feb 2001, extracted Mar 2010.

    10. [S209] Census: 1881 Scotland via Ancestry, (1881), Chirnside, BEW Reg. 730 ED 4 Pg 2 Sched 8, hsehold of George & Janet SMITH, extracted Feb 2010.

    11. [S103] OPR East Lothian SctP RUNCIMAN Marriages 1538-1854, Scotlands People Index, (1538-1854), Marr. 7 Jun 1783 Thomas RUNCIMAN & Jean SIMPSON, Dunbar, 706/ 0050 0071, extracted from index Feb 2010.

    12. [S55] BDM: Scotlands People entries to 1854, Marr. 7 Jun 1783 Thomas RUNCIMAN (taylor) & Jean SIMPSON, both of Par. of Dunbar, married Haddington, in Dunbar, East Lothian, 706/ 0050 0071, copy d/loaded Apr 2010.

    13. [S201] Census: 1841 Scotland via Ancestry, (1841), Belhaven, Par. of Dunbar, ELN Par. 706 ED 8 Pg 9, hsehold of Thos & Jane RUNCIMAN, extracted Jun 2010.

    14. [S3] RUNCIMAN Analysis, Lorna Henderson, Apr 2010.

    15. [S56] BDM: Scotlands People certs from 1855, Dth 1871 John RUNCIMAN, Dist 685/2 Pg 102 #304, Edinburgh St Andrew, MLN, copy d/loaded Apr 2007.

    16. [S15] RUNCIMAN DNA Project, Oct 2011.

    17. [S201] Census: 1841 Scotland via Ancestry, (1841), Oxenridge, Coldstream BEW Par. 733 ED 7 Pg 8, hsehold of Thomas & Mary RUNCIAMAN, extracted Feb 2010.

    18. [S3] RUNCIMAN Analysis, Lorna Henderson, Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN, more likely parents for the Thomas born c 1791, who married Mary REDPATH (1812 Innerwick), added Feb 2010.

    19. [S15] RUNCIMAN DNA Project, Y-DNA matches between descendants of assumed siblings Thomas and John RUNCIMAN, rcvd Jun 2014.

    20. [S3217] WikiTree, Oct-11.