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William Runciman

Male 1802 - 1875  (72 years)


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  • Name William Runciman  [1, 2
    Born 06 Aug 1802  Shoe Lane (30), St Bride's Fleet St, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2, 3
    Christened 05 Sep 1802  St Bride's Fleet St, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Gender Male 
    Birth Abt 1806  England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    CensusFail 1850  USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Reference Number 41719 
    Died 09 Jan 1875  Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 6
    • Obit: Died at his residence in Waterloo, aged 72, a native of Scotland (Europe) and emigrated to this country some twenty four years ago. During his illness his sufferings were intense, but he bore his sufferings with Christian fortitude. He was aware death was his only relief, and a few hours before his final dissolution he bid his weeping wife and children an affectionate farewell. Dear is the spot where Christians sleep And sweet the strains their spirits pour Oh, why should we in anguish weep They are not lost but gone before
    Person ID I41719  Runciman Lineage 1a - Wanton Walls
    Last Modified 6 Feb 2016 

    Father William Runciman,   b. Abt Jul 1756, Earlston, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Apr 1803, Shoe Lane (30), St Bride's Fleet St, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 46 years) 
    Mother Mary Ann Hill,   b. Est 1775, ?London, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married 20 Feb 1798  St Bride, Fleet St, London City, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [7, 8, 9
    • entry reads: William RUNCIMAN of this parish, widower, Mary Ann HILL spinster of the same, marr. by licence, both signed; Wit: James HILL, M WHITE
    Family ID F8  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Mary Brown,   b. Abt 1815, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 08 Jun 1879, Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 64 years) 
    Married Est 1833  ?Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    Census 1841  Trabrown, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    • RUNCIMAN: William 35 farmer b England; (wife) Mary 25 b BEW; (Children): Maryanne 5, Janet 4, William 1 all b BEW; Also Elizabeth STEWART 40 F.S. b BEW; Mary Anne POLWARTT 64 independent b England;
    Census 17 Aug 1860  Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [10
    • RANSMAN: William 58 farmer $2500 real estate, $1200 personal property b ENG; Mary 46 b Scotland; William 20 farm laborer b Scotland; Andrew 15, Betsy 12 both at school in last yr, b MI; Genett 5 b MI (next door, a family of ALLENs)
    Census 29 Jun 1870  Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    • RUNCIMAN: William 67 farmer $8000 real estate $1000 personal property b ENG; Mary 56 keeping house b Scotland; Andrew 25 farm laborer, Elizabeth 22 at home, both b Scotland; Janet 15 at school b MI, all parents of foreign birth
    Children 
     1. Mary Ann Runciman,   b. Abt Aug 1835, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1914, ?Fowlerville, Livingston Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 78 years)
     2. Janet Lockie Runciman,   b. Abt Jun 1837, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1851, at sea Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 13 years)
     3. John Runciman,   b. Abt 1838, ?Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1851, ?New York, New York, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 14 years)
     4. William Runciman,   b. Abt Feb 1840, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1908, Kansas, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 67 years)
     5. David Runciman,   c. 30 Nov 1842, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1860, Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 17 years)
     6. Andrew Brown Runciman,   b. Jul 1845, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1916, ?Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 70 years)
     7. Elizabeth Runciman,   b. Abt Jun 1848, Lauder, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 11 Aug 1884, Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 36 years)
     8. James Runciman,   b. 1853, Waterloo Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1854, ?Waterloo Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 1 years)
     9. Janet Runciman,   b. 1855, Waterloo Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1924, ?Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 69 years)
    Last Modified 6 Mar 2016 
    Family ID F53  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 06 Aug 1802 - Shoe Lane (30), St Bride's Fleet St, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsChristened - 05 Sep 1802 - St Bride's Fleet St, London, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBirth - Abt 1806 - England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - Est 1833 - ?Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 1841 - Trabrown, Par. of Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensusFail - 1850 - USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 17 Aug 1860 - Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 29 Jun 1870 - Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 09 Jan 1875 - Waterloo, Jackson Co., Michigan, USA Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • With the discovery (Feb 2012) of William Runciman, baker in London with sons James and William of the right ages to be the Michigan James and William, the "cousin" theory is hereby put on hold, and the "brothers" one brought back into favour, along with bringing the Lauder baker family into Lineage 1a.
      This London connection certainly fits the family stories about the William who went to London, with children brought up in Wanton Walls with their cousins.
    • The family charts and stories are from at least one family chart (1965) which believes William and James to be siblings, but later information (from Jean Runciman BOGAN) stated "My grandmother always said "the other side of the family (William) will always tell you that James and William RUNCIMAN from Scotland were brothers ... they were not ... they were cousins who had grown up together and called themselves brothers". (Well they were brought up with their cousins, so perhaps that's where that bit came from?)

      George's (Dod) [PAGELINK:]41678;uncle James[:PAGELINK] (b. 1898 d. 1984) said he remembered [PAGELINK:]16766;his grandfather[:PAGELINK] (James married to Eliza WIGHT, b. 1800 d. 1871) telling of a brother who went to London and died leaving 2 small children whom he brought to Wanton Walls and brought up with his own family and he believes they were the ones who went to America. (the grandfather must have meant his father's brother, not his own, but he was well placed to talk about them as he was of an age, and would have been brought up with them at Wanton Walls)
      "However Mr James Runciman's sister says she remembers conversations about those two boys and their names were James and Richard, not James and William. therefore I believe my grandmother was right, James and William were cousins who had grown up together as brothers .. but what ever happened to Richard?.. Jean"
      Feb 2012 update: the Richard being remembered is probably the son of James and William's brother John, a baker in Lauder.
      I'm backing the brothers version of events now that London baptisms for siblings James & William, sons of William and Mary Ann (Hill) Runciman, whose son John is documented as the baker in Lauder have now been found. William Snr died in 1803 when James would be 5, John 3 and William 1 (there were also two older half sisters, Catherine and Elizabeth, as yet unaccounted for beyond father William's will).

      With sons William and James previously assumed to be cousins, their mutual grandfather would have to be born around 1740-50s, give or take 20 yrs or so!
      Apart from the DNA evidence making a descendant of William in Michigan, and a descendant of the Wanton Walls families closely related (66/67 marker match), we had no other real idea where they fitted, so they were temporarily connected as great grandchildren of John & Elizabeth via a theoretical "male Runciman". This connection has now been removed, along with the theoretical intervening generation.
    • Runciman-290
    • William and Mary's daughter Janet Lockie Runciman did give pause to the placing of this William in his correct family as there is also a married to Mary Watson, son of the David married to Janet Lockie. Other evidence does place David's son as the one married to Mary Watson, and this one as David's nephew instead. [11, 12]

  • Sources 
    1. [S104] OPR Berwick, Scotland, RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854, Scotlands People Index, (1538-1854), Bap. 23 Aug 1835 Mary Ann d/o William RUNCIMAN & Mary BROWN, Lauder, 748/ 0030 0082, from RUNCIMAN births 1553 to 1854 Gordon/Earlston/Lauder/Westruther, Berwickshire, index searched Oct 2005.

    2. [S2916] BDM: London Metropolitan Archives (ancestry), Birth 6 Aug Bap. 5 Sep 1802 William s/o William & Mary Ann RUNCIMAN, 30 Shoe Lane, from St Bride Fleet Street, Register of baptisms, 1736 - 1812, P69/BRI/A/007/MS06541, Item 001, extracted Feb 2012.

    3. [S808] Census: USA, 1870 Waterloo, Jackson, MI, roll: M593_679; Pg: 472; Image: 392, hsehold of William & Mary RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.

    4. [S201] Census: 1841 Scotland via Ancestry, (1841), Lauder BEW Par. 748 ED 2A Pg 4, hsehold of William & Mary RUNCIMAN, extracted Apr 2007.

    5. [S808] Census: USA, 1850, searched May 2007.

    6. [S2342] RUNCIMAN Misc. web searches & correspondence, Obit 1875 William RUNCIMAN, from Jan 2003 posting (of 1974 information) by Ros RUNCIMAN, extracted May 2007.

    7. [S56] BDM: Scotlands People certs from 1855, Dth 28 Jun 1864 John RUNCIMAN, Lauder, BEW 748 #6, copy d/loaded Oct 2005.

    8. [S1596] IGI: Online searches, Marr. 1798 William RUNCIMAN & Mary Anne HILL, batch M022421, Saint Bride Fleet St, London, extracted Apr 2007.

    9. [S5] Ancestry.com, Marr. 20 Feb 1798 William RUNCIMAN & Mary Ann HILL, from Guildhall, St Bride Fleet Street, Register of marriages, 1794 - 1810, P69/BRI/A/01/Ms 6542/3, London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921, extracted Feb 2012.

    10. [S808] Census: USA, 1860 Waterloo, Jackson, MI Roll: M653_547; Image: 721, hsehold of William & Mary RANSMAN, searched May 2007.

    11. [S3] RUNCIMAN Analysis, Lorna Henderson, Oct 2005.

    12. [S4] RUNCIMAN Conclusions, Lorna Henderson, Feb 2012.